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Offline Charles Adamson

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220 rear axle seals
« on: November 27, 2017, 10:50:07 PM »
There are two seals but the inner seal (48x65x10) separated from the metal ring.
What is the size of the outer seal?

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Re: 220 rear axle seals
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2017, 09:58:23 AM »
I did mine in 2010.  Fortunately, that was after I started to keep better documentation.

My records show the inner seal as 48x65x10, and the outer seal as 48x65x14.
HOWEVER, I also have a record of ordering some 48x65x8, and 48x65x10.(from my local bearing supplier)

I have all three of those sizes (8,10,14) in my spare parts drawer.  So, I can't recall what I ended up using.  Whatever it was has worked because I had not had any leaks for seven years now.

If I can dig up more info, I'll update this posting.


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Re: 220 rear axle seals
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2017, 12:59:02 AM »
Did you change both seals?
Do have pictures?

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Re: 220 rear axle seals
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2017, 07:26:38 PM »
I'm certain I would have done all seals if I had it apart.
Here are a few photos, but I'm not sure if they show what you are looking for.
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Re: 220 rear axle seals
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2017, 12:03:25 PM »
Thanks for the pictures.

Do you know the part number of the ring in the third picture? Mine is missing, but the parts book part is also missing.

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Re: 220 rear axle seals
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2017, 01:22:20 PM »
I agree that I can not find the part number as well.
Perhaps the Classic Center can help?

Here is the diagram from the Shop Manual.
It is item #5 Oil Seal.
I would call it more of an oil slinger because, if I recall correctly, it was just plain stamped steel that was packed with grease to help seal the rubber oil seal that it slid over.
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Re: 220 rear axle seals
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2017, 11:36:16 AM »
The slinger is 187 357 02 82. It's in a parts manual supplement. If you have a supplement, it's occasionally useful to check it for later changes. No drawings though so some things are a bit obscure. It does refer back to pages in the original parts book.

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Re: 220 rear axle seals
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2017, 12:31:24 PM »
Thanks Henry,
I did find that number in my update.  And the translated description to something like "Oil Shield". 
It was the fact that there is no drawing for it that had me stumped.
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Re: 220 rear axle seals
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2017, 03:30:20 PM »
I found a picture from Niemoller.

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Re: 220 rear axle seals
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2017, 03:34:15 PM »
Is this item 6 in Fig.H3/54b?

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Re: 220 rear axle seals
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2017, 04:21:26 PM »
No, it is #5.  Regardless of what the description is in the diagram.
If you compare the diagram to my photos, #6 is the oil seal with the rubber and the "spring reinforcement" inside the seal.
Item #5 actually mounts onto the axle shaft and rotates with the axle.
It helps to deflect oil away from the rubber seal where it rubs against the axle.
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Re: 220 rear axle seals
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2017, 08:27:23 AM »
One tip that I have. Don't use the fully rubber coated seals, only the old style with a bare metal case. If you use the rubber coated ones, the slinger may not fit or will grab the seal.