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Offline parklandmb

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Mercedes 220 two tone, original or not?
« on: May 09, 2021, 11:45:19 AM »
Hello 170/220 fellows,

I have recently acquired an unrestored 53' 220 with the rare webasto roof in two ton black over red.

The car is very original and has never been restored except for some of the paint.

I have talked to different sources about the two tone colour of the car and was wondering if you fellows have any input on whether

a 2 tone was originally offered by Mercedes or if someone back in the day decided to paint the car in a 2 tone?

Everyone's input is much appreciated!

Thank  you kindly,

Sven 

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Re: Mercedes 220 two tone, original or not?
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2021, 11:20:36 AM »
Hello Sven

A very nice car that you have here  !!!! so beautiful ..; Bravo

Some precisions for your colour issue.

First of all , the W187 220 Sedan ( with or without webasto roof) had never been paint on two tone color from the factory.
Your two tone's come for sure after the delivery and done by some "artists owners".

The W187 220 Sedan car's could be delivered painted at the time only in 11 différents colors (and only one color) thats all.....

Thats informations are very sure due the fact that it comes directly from the factory (Special thanks to them to their informations and help  )

Some european informations sourcing are talking about 18 differents colors but informations are not confirmed and on my opinion some confusion had been writted past ago ... 

Also the drawing ( fabulous isnt'it ?) on certain advertisement are also showing some cars painted on colors whom had never exist ....

For helping you also , normally you are supposed to have an identification color paint plate riveted on your car  (lackeriung plate ) on the frame and some time on the fire wall near the others identification plates.
In fact,  some of the cars produced during that period had that plate,  others cars  ..... no !!!!! and nobody now why ....  But if you have that plate it could helping you  a little to fix that point  ( in case of presence of that plate , the DB color is writting as a code DB 000) .

Another way could be for you to requested directly to the factory in Germany , the data card of your car ( mean that you should have the paint color information's on it).
That data card is easy to obtain (but need to pass thru your local Mercedes dealer)  and it cost around 150 euros in Europe

I hope that it could help you
Best regard's and take care
Marc

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Re: Mercedes 220 two tone, original or not?
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2021, 04:23:05 PM »
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« Last Edit: May 12, 2021, 04:25:09 PM by Marc1340 »

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Re: Mercedes 220 two tone, original or not?
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2021, 11:29:48 PM »
Thank you Mark for this valuable information!!!

Since you have gotten the info right from the factory I would say that it's certain that these cars did not come in a 2 tone colour.

Greetings from Canada,

Sven

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Re: Mercedes 220 two tone, original or not?
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2021, 04:09:55 PM »
I never made a definitive study of this, but I don't think Mercedes put color tags on their cars until maybe late 1953 at least in the 170/220 cars. I had a 1953 Cab A in the shop with curved windshield and it had a tag, a 1955 Cab A had one also. I think it must have been a really early curved windshield or prototype because it carried the numbering of a flat windshield car.

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Re: Mercedes 220 two tone, original or not?
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2021, 04:30:43 PM »
Hello Henry

Thanks for your reply but sorry I don’t understand really in fact  what you’re writting about the tag , the curved windshield against the question of the 2 tone color ……
May be you can explain us more ?
Thanks
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Marc

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Re: Mercedes 220 zweifarbig, original oder nicht?
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2021, 12:45:41 PM »
Hallo Mark,
ich bin auch der Meinung, Mercedes hat nie ein Auto in dieser 2-Farben Lackierung ausgeliefert.
In Deutschland habe ich vor ein oder zwei Jahren genau das selbe Auto in dieser Farbkombination angeboten gesehen. Es wurde restauriert (?), vor der Restauration hatte es die Farbe "sandgrau" oder grau.
Mich würde die Herkunft Ihres Fahrzeugs interessieren.

mit freundlichen Grüßen,   Alfred Wölkl,   Deutschland

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Re: Mercedes 220 two tone, original or not?
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2021, 03:30:10 PM »
Hallo Alfred

Thanks for your confirmation for the two tone paint

For the 170S that I was in charge of restarting, it seems it comes from France and has been for a very long time. It had already been used for the shooting of other films in the past.
I have also seen similar models transformed in Poland and Germany

Freundlich
Marc

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Re: Mercedes 220 two tone, original or not?
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2021, 11:36:48 AM »
Marc, Yes that was a bit confusing, sorry. I wasn't commenting about two tone paint. I agree that the sedans did not come from the factory with two tone paint.

For what it's worth, I was commenting on the paint code tags. You implied that it was somewhat random as to what cars had plates.  I was suggesting that it may not have been so random, that at a certain point in time they started putting them on. They were on the firewall, but I've never seen any on the frame. On these cars they were attached with screws.

I was trying to establish a few time points for cars that had paint code tags. The two cars I mentioned, I know for sure had paint tags. I mentioned the body type because it dated the car as a late 1953. It actually was 187012-03483/53 and was delivered November 1953. I had always assumed that all the curved windshield cars were 1954-55.

I was wondering if any others might add information about whether they had paint tags or not. I have a 1952 Cab A here that does not, nor did a 1952 170Sb, or a 1950 170S Cab B, that I restored, or a 1952 220 Cab B I used to own.

I've seen many of these cars over the years, but never paid much attention to the paint tag issue unless I was actually painting the car. It's just an impression I have that most of the other cars I have seen up close, usually 1953 or earlier did not have the tags.