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Offline John Ellis

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1952 170Da Kombi
« on: March 19, 2009, 01:11:57 AM »
Here is a very unique car for sale on eBay.  This body is by an Argentine coach builder Lorenzo Zugner.

Volker, this may be the car you are looking for!

I am tempted to make an offer myself as a "surf wagon".

eBay item number 110365852733


« Last Edit: March 19, 2009, 01:17:25 AM by John Ellis »
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Re: 1952 170Da Kombi
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2009, 04:55:25 AM »
I sent the link to Volker, since he is busy constructing another building at his home for the Bass shop and not a lot of time surfing the forum.

I'm tempted to bid on it as well.  Wonder how much he is after on the reserve?
I'm going to move this to trucks and stickie the post for its description information.

Description
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Very rare 1952 two-door coach built kombi station wagon built by coach builder Lorenzo Zugner in Buenos Aires, Argentina. The Mercedes-Benz factory delivered this “cab only chassis” to Argentina and coach builder Lorenzo Zugner created several two-door station wagons with one large rear door. The Zugner body badge on this variant identifies this body as Body # 11 (see photo). I have photos of a “twin sister” two-door station wagon that Zugner built that is identical to this Kombi. (A Kombi is defined as a dual-purpose vehicle, this example being a two-door estate station wagon). The 13 digit Mercedes-Benz chassis number begins with 136.171, which designates that this 170Da chassis was designated by the Mercedes-Benz factory for special construction (http://www.170v.de/mercedes-170-modelle.pdf).
The Zugner Coach Builder Body badge states:

Carroceria Bai (Body By) Lorenzo Zugner; Buenos Aires, Argentino; Carroceria No.11 (Body # 11); 1952

The factory Mercedes-Benz VIN is: 136 171 04467/52. VIN number sequence interpretation (13 digits VIN with the last two digits designating production year):

136 = Chassis model 170Da

171 = Diesel engined chassis for special construction (chassis für Spezialaufbau)

04467/52 = Serial number 04467 with model year 1952

The 136.171 chassis designations are rare and most historical documentaries do not even list the 136.171. They list the 136.169 (taxi); 136.170 (ambulance); 136.172 (saloon w/sunroof); 136.174 (OTP) and the 136.175 (pick-up truck). But the 136.171 designated for special construction is rarely mentioned. Exact production numbers for the 136.171 cab only chassis are not available from Mercedes-Benz. But the production numbers are very limited.

Engine #: 636.916.04471/52 = Serial number 04471 with production year 1952

Mileage: 95,291 kilometers odometer reading, actual mileage unknown.

This 170Da station wagon is an original all numbers matching vehicle. The Mercedes-Benz original side cowl VIN plate, chassis plate and chassis stamping number all match serial number 04467/52 (see photos). Included with this auction is a factory Mercedes-Benz 170 Workshop Manual for this vehicle in Spanish for Types 170D, 170S and 170V dated December 1951. The manual is in excellent condition, 513 pages, 12” x 8 ½”. This factory original workshop manual covers all the mechanicals for this 170Da kombi station wagon.

Zugner was Argentina’s contemporary to the German coach builders Binz, Lueg, Drews and others. eMercedesBenz.com documents that “the 136 and 191 series were also offered as chassis, which various bodybuilders furnished with special bodies. . . Because of considerable outside demand for diesel-engined chassis, Mercedes-Benz did not start delivering these to external bodybuilding firms until 1950. These coachbuilders then turned them into station wagons, six-seater taxis, ambulances and panel vans.”

The tail lamps and window glass reconfirm that this kombi was built in Argentina. The tail lamps are model Baiml 501 and marked ‘Made in Argentina’. The windshield is marked ‘Industria Blindex Argentina’, the side glass and rear door glass are all marked ‘Extra Templado‘. Whereas both the door window and factory Mercedes-Benz 170 vent glass are ‘Sekurit’ which would be correct for a cab only chassis delivered from the Mercedes-Benz factory. The unique “second” vent window assembly is a Zugner addition to create additional ventilation. Also check out the period window stickers on the side and rear windows.

Below are the details outlining the Kombi’s condition. This station-wagon runs well, drives and stops. With a new set of tires and freshening-up of the brakes, you should be ready to drive it to the next car show or club meeting.

Exterior: Early style 170Da with piano hinge hood with louvers and suicide front doors (same as factory sedan). All body panels appear to be original and in very good condition. Body is straight and does not appear to have been hit and was repainted many years ago. Paint work is two-tone brown. Rust is almost non-existent. There is a small area of pin holes in the ‘trunk’ floor that could be attended to if you felt compelled. The four wheels are 16 inch wheels and are date stamped. Two are date stamped 8.52; one date stamped 9.52; one stamped 7.53. The 7.53 wheel has a bit different design from the original 3 wheels, so two additional 16 inch wheels dated 9.51 are included in this auction, for a total of 6 wheel rims, 5 of which are the same design. Hub caps are very nice. The windshield has some wiper rub rash that should polish out. There is only one wiper, which appears to be original since there is no hole in the interior headliner to facilitate right side wiper linkage. The running board mouldings are not original.

Interior: The interior is absolutely stunning, maintaining all its original woodwork. All the wooden window surround trim, door panels (3 doors), rear side panels and flooring. All wooden panels and trim are in mint condition (photos do not do them justice). Dash is complete will all gauges, switches and dual glove boxes. Two non-original gauges have been cut into the left glove box door. A used extra non-cut door is included in the auction. Otherwise the dash is original and very nice. One of the VDO clock hands has fallen off its pin, but is inside the clock. Steering wheel and turn signal ring are very nice. Blue-grey vinyl seats. Seats have a couple of small tears. Seat frames are very nice. Headliner looks to be original and is very nice. Without a question, this kombi station-wagon was well cared for over its lifetime. The right door window regulator needs to be repaired or replaced. A used right window regulator is included in the auction.

Drive train: Numbers matching original 1767cc overhead valve 40 horse power OM636 diesel engine with 19:1 compression ratio and Bosch fuel injection. Engine runs well though difficult to start when cold (Pennsylvania winter cold). Four speed floor mounted gear-shift transmission which shifts nicely. Brakes require pumping to function, so they will need to be attended to. Currently a modern 12 volt alternator is fitted which is the only update. The original 12 volt Bosch generator is included with the auction.

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Re: 1952 170Da Kombi
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2009, 05:03:31 AM »
EDIT: Jim beat me to the description :)



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Re: 1952 170Da Kombi
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2009, 06:28:54 AM »
Given that the wood is original, what type of wood veneer is that, Birch?

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Re: 1952 170Da Kombi
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2009, 04:20:53 AM »
Ebay transaction Ended: Mar-25-09 19:00:00 PDT

Current bid: US $18,100.00     Reserve not met 
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Re: 1952 170Da Kombi
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2009, 04:27:21 AM »
If this was in Germany it would be commanding a premium price,

Here is a similar type of car, and they are asking 65,000 Euros for it

http://www.mirbach.de/main.asp?main=auto_detail&ID=3516&subnav=1&preisgruppe=youngtimer



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Re: 1952 170Da Kombi
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2009, 04:39:12 AM »
a truck similar to the one in Canada posted at this link:

http://www.170220.com/170smf/index.php?topic=1411.0

Wonder what "Pritschenwagen" means in German?

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Re: 1952 170Da Kombi
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2009, 09:54:02 AM »
Pritschenwagen translated roughly means plank bed truck.
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Re: 1952 170Da Kombi
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2010, 09:27:50 PM »
Ebay transaction Ended: Mar-25-09 19:00:00 PDT

Current bid: US $18,100.00     Reserve not met 
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I vote for $20-$30 . Was this one sold for more than $18,000?
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