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Classifieds / 1951 diesel engine for sale
« Last post by Stephen Dietrich on January 15, 2020, 02:20:40 PM »
 I have a  1951 split head motor which needs to be rebuilt. It can also be use for parts as some components are no longer available. $300 or best offer plus shipping.
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220 / Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Last post by yan2947 on January 11, 2020, 07:13:09 PM »
Its a slow process
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220 / Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Last post by yan2947 on December 25, 2019, 07:51:51 AM »
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year all!  Thanks for all the help and encouragement over the years on this project.  Home stretch of putting things together.
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Postwar 170S / Re: 170S, Sb model description
« Last post by Marc1340 on December 13, 2019, 12:47:20 PM »
Hi Lars

Yess probably Benznard , friend of me ...... French people whom love W136 are not  as numerous as that !! Little country with a french touch !!

Your  Cpé seem beautiful too !!, very nice !

Nice week to you
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Postwar 170S / Re: 170S, Sb model description
« Last post by braveman170 on December 13, 2019, 12:02:06 PM »
Hi

I think I have had a discussion with your friend at the german forum.

Have a nice day!
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Postwar 170S / Re: 170S, Sb model description
« Last post by Marc1340 on December 13, 2019, 11:44:30 AM »
Hello lars

As every time  , thanks  lot !!!

Thanks for the lot of  informations you'd getting here .

I will check the chassis numbers for validation of the changes .

For sure we 'd on project to come on Haigern with a friend whom have a 170S  but needed some restoration job , otherwise I would like to come with my diva ( 220Seb Cpé) 
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Postwar 170S / Re: 170S, Sb model description
« Last post by braveman170 on December 10, 2019, 12:30:27 PM »
Hi

Since the Sb has an engine with a timing chain the oilpump and the camshaft are also different.
Otherwise they would rotate in the wrong direction.

The first Sb 1952 has wood trims at the doors and the dashboard. Sb 1953 has trims made of "Pagholz" a kind of bakelite.

The Sb 1952 has a cover at the bottom of the radiator grill för manuel start.
The Sb 1953 has no hole for this function.
Some of the first Sb 1952 has the same hood lock function as the 170S. My friend has this early version.

I think that theese differences were all done at different times.
In the 170Sb parts catalouge you can see from which chassie number the changes were introduced.

I have driven my Sb 60.000km with a column shift and I prefeer it compared to the stick shift.


Thats all for today!

If you wisit the meeting i Haigern Germany 2020 I will be there with my Sb.


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Postwar 170S / Re: 170S, Sb model description
« Last post by Marc1340 on December 08, 2019, 05:44:55 PM »
Good evening Henri

First of all thank you for your interest, your answer and your feedback. Its very interesting
To answer the first point I saw last month two models of 170 Sb here on Europe  that may interest me.
Both models are in parts and would be complete (to be checked !!!). One of them belonged to a former repairer and I do not know if all the parts belong to the model Sb.
That's why I need to know the differences between 170S and Sb ...
Also as you know certainly ,and as Nietzsche said  "the devil is hiding in the details" and when I talk about something I prefer to know what I'm talking about
In addition we are a little "on late" on the documentation Mercedes here in France  and more particularly on the W136-W191 and W187 and we are sorely lacking information.
I hope it does not bother anyone in the forum that I ask all these and my questions , but I preferred talking with experts than people whom don't know .
For helping everybody , if necessary I could synthesize all the information collected and make a benefit of the community by establishing a document like the one wanted by our friend Lars previously.
Best regards

Marc 
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Postwar 170S / Re: 170S, Sb model description
« Last post by Henry Magno on December 08, 2019, 12:21:30 PM »
Marc, Do you have a particular 170Sb that you are thinking of buying? Unless it's a very incomplete car, I don't think at this point you need to worry about all the differences. If you haven't bought the car yet, do try to survey what is missing, at least the major things. You should focus on a car that is mostly complete and not too rusty. There are parts available.

I will make one comment about the column shifter. These can be tricky to get right but are fine when they are set up properly. I think they make the car more pleasurable to drive than the floor shift. Many people like the "vintage look and feel" of the floor shift but wouldn't want it if I had the choice. I restored a 170 Sb quite a while ago where the owner started to make the conversion to floor shift. I talked him out of it, and built the car with the column shift. A number of years later, a new owner wanted the floor shift and had me convert it, against my advice. I can't remember the details, but the tunnel parts which are removable are not directly interchangeable and the cut out on the cowl is a different shape. The tunnel for the column shift car is taller.
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Postwar 170S / Re: 170S, Sb model description
« Last post by Marc1340 on December 07, 2019, 05:31:43 AM »
Quote from: braveman170 on December 05, 2019, 01:24:45 AM
An to make it even more interesting there are differences between Sb 1952 and Sb 1953.
I have a Sb 1953 :) :) :) :) :)


Hello Lars

Another time  just : " bravo !!! " and thanks for all your informations !!!! You know perfectly that cars ... also your car ,  witch is so beautiful for sure .

Please could you give more informations about these points :

Quote from: braveman170 on December 05, 2019, 01:24:45 AM
An to make it even more interesting there are differences between Sb 1952 and Sb 1953.
I have a Sb 1953 :) :) :) :) :)


Thanks in advance for your patience
Best regards
Marc


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