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Postwar 170S / Re: 170S, Sb model description
« Last post by Marc1340 on December 01, 2019, 03:16:59 AM »
Hello Lars

First : Great many thanks for your reply and your informations.
I understand perfectly for the translation , I'm also playing sometime with english, german, french .... and its not so easy ..
I agree also with your opinion for the 170Sb witch is the top of the line for sure


For the differences between 170S and 170Sb  I note on my side  and with your help  :

Engine
- timing chain /Sb 

gear boxe
-different synchronization / Sb = better ( mean different gear boxe housing or only internal componments ?
-speed shifting on the column / Sb  ( mean also a different weeling column and the different carpet ?  )

Transmission
- hypoid rear axle /Sb  mean different ratio , different alignment , different housing ( sealed not on middle )   

Body
- different rear track + 15 mm  =  1 435 mm / Sb  ( mean different subframe ?  )
- Different body between S and Sb ( witch is similar than 220)  because of the rear window more large on Sb
- Wood Rubber on rear window disappear on the same time = march 1952  / Sb and new caoutchouc ruber most large appear 
- On the same time exterior chrome ring appear on the rear window  /Sb
- Rear trunk hinges inside the trunk and not visible / Sb

Interior
- Starting button on the dashboard  / Sb 


Please could you give me more informations about these points you'd written :

Another firewall  =  due to the speed shifting or ?
heatingsystem = what is different between Sb and S ?  did the heating system is optionnal like the 170S or not ?   
dashboard = due to the engine starting button ?   
thicker frame =  where is différent ? and what is the value 
headliner = whitch differences ?  on matérial ?   
door locks = whitch differences  ?
door handles = whitch differences ?
cardan shaft = whitch differences  ?

More that points , could you please also confirm me some others points of view  :

- Somebody explain that the chrome button on the dash board is different between S and Sb model ?

- The exteriors foot plates( under front and rear back wings)   are different between S and Sb models

 
Another Gentleman  ( John ELLIS)  noted some others differences

- The fuel mixture throtle control  was eliminated  on S model until 1951 , not present on Sb model ?     

- On 170 S model 1949 - optional heater made standard mean that is the same for 170 Sb ? 

- On 170 S model 1950 - external hinged spare wheel mount available as factory option , mean that for the 170Sb its not possible to install an spare wheel mounting system ? 
 
 
Many thanks in advance for your help
Best regards
Marc
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Postwar 170S / Re: 170S, Sb model description
« Last post by braveman170 on November 30, 2019, 04:01:05 PM »
Hi Marc,

I have not uploaded any document in English.
I tried to translate it to English but I found out that I was no good at technical English.
With Google translate the result was no good.

I haven't fulfilled my idea...

My personal opinion:
The 170Sb is the version with most options and equipment. Top of the line.
The models 170S-V and 170D-S comming after are stripped and cheaper versions.

Positive.
170Sb has a timing chain
170Sb has a Hypoid rear axle with another ratio
170Sb has a better gearbox more similar to the Ponton

Negative:
The column shift is very tricky....often replaced with a stick shift lid.

And as I have witten before there are many differences 170S(W136) to 170Sb(W191)

The 170Sb has the same body as the 220 (W187) with a lager rear window.
Anoter firewall, heatingsystem, dashboard, Steering Wheel, thicker frame, headliner, door locks, door handles, rubber carpets, cardan shaft,

Many of these things you do not notice at your first sight.

Have a nice day!


Best Regards

Lars
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220 / Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Last post by Azryael on November 28, 2019, 06:28:49 PM »
Looking really good!

It's nice to see the progress you've made on your project, and it looks like you're on the home stretch.
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Postwar 170S / Re: 170S, Sb model description
« Last post by Marc1340 on November 28, 2019, 05:49:37 PM »
I have written a document explaining the differences between 170S and 170Sb. But it is written in Swedish.
Since I have worked a lot with both 220(W187), 170S and 170Sb I have seen many more differences than you think exists.
To buy a 170S as spareparts-car to a 170Sb is no good at all.
I think 170Sb has more parts equal to a 220(W187) than a 170S.
Lars

Hello Lars, Gentlemen
First , excuse me for coming like that on your post.
I have on project to buy a 170Sb and I try to get lore information’s.
Please I’m not finding the file you’d writted ( on english) about the differences between 170 S to 170Sb
Is this possible for you to join it on this thread ?? Or mp if you want?  Or ?
Many thanks for your help
Best regards
Marc

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220 / Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Last post by Scott Montoney on November 27, 2019, 07:31:02 PM »
Thanks for the photo and keeping us posted.
Scott
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220 / Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Last post by yan2947 on November 27, 2019, 08:12:29 AM »
Here it is
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220 / Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Last post by yan2947 on November 26, 2019, 07:27:43 AM »
The eagle has landed.  Motor in...
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220 / Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Last post by yan2947 on November 03, 2019, 12:56:20 PM »
Thanks Henry.  I believe we are going to use the original one.  Seems to be ok but if need be I will contact you.  Thank you!

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Technical / Re: Engine problem, cooling water leak...
« Last post by Henry Magno on November 02, 2019, 07:01:57 PM »
You have probably solved this by now, but with luck, it was just a rust out between the threaded hole and the water chamber. As you know, some of the head bolt holes go right through to the water jacket, but to my recollection this hole shouldn't. This should be a stud not a bolt, right? If so you could just use a sealant on the threads of the stud.
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