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Offline Scott Montoney

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Re: 1953 MERCEDES BENZ 220 4 DOOR SEDAN
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2010, 09:17:48 AM »
Good point.
I am running the 7.6:1 head and I'm aware of the 8.7, but have never heard of the 9.0.
I'm happy with what she has for now.  Too many other things to work on (currently brakes) before I start to consider upgrades.
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Re: 1953 MERCEDES BENZ 220 4 DOOR SEDAN
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2010, 12:11:11 PM »
I am running the 7.6:1 head and I'm aware of the 8.7, but have never heard of the 9.0.
I'm happy with what she has for now.  Too many other things to work on (currently brakes) before I start to consider upgrades.

Sure, there's everything. ;) The 9.0 head is from the W111 ("Tailfin") and W114 ("Strichacht") 2.3-liter engine. And come to think of it, there is also a 9.3:1 head in 230 SL. The engine code is M127 and it is the fuel injected version of the M180. But basically the same engine with only four main bearings.

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Re: 1953 MERCEDES BENZ 220 4 DOOR SEDAN
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2010, 02:00:20 PM »
I notice this is a day of learning. I never knew there was a 6.8:1 head also! But it was on eBay; a brand new head.

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Re: 1953 MERCEDES BENZ 220 4 DOOR SEDAN
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2010, 03:38:39 PM »
I use the 8.7 head when I can with the matching cam and 220a/219 32 mm carb. I think this give 10-20 more horsepower.

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Re: 1953 MERCEDES BENZ 220 4 DOOR SEDAN
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2010, 06:19:57 PM »
I use the 8.7 head when I can with the matching cam and 220a/219 32 mm carb. I think this give 10-20 more horsepower.

That sounds about right depending whether you mean DIN or SAE. Did you retard the ignition curve for that modification?

But back to Stalin's car. I composed some images showing the different Mercedes-Benz engine types.

1) The original M180 engine from a W187. Notice the correct "reverse hump" oil pan needed to accommodate the steering levers.

2) The same engine with the same front mount but with modern "front pot" oil pan.

3) The same engine family but from 1976. Notice the modern mount in the middle.

4) Mercedes-Benz V8 (here M116, but M117 and M119 are pretty close).

5) And as a bonus a Chevy small block V8 mount spot. Not middle, not front.

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Re: 1953 MERCEDES BENZ 220 4 DOOR SEDAN
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2010, 08:07:28 PM »



How about 2.3 motor. Would mounts feet in it?

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Re: 1953 MERCEDES BENZ 220 4 DOOR SEDAN
« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2010, 01:10:50 PM »
Well... That's a BMW engine - I don't have enough experience on those. But I guess that's pretty much the same case as in the same period BM engine. The Mercedes-Benz 2,3 liter from 1980's and 90's is called the M102. It's only four cylinders, but that suits your car well too.

Here's a M102 on a W136 chassis. http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll146/niearto/Laatikko.jpg

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Re: 1953 MERCEDES BENZ 220 4 DOOR SEDAN
« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2010, 11:47:04 PM »
Well... That's a BMW engine - I don't have enough experience on those. But I guess that's pretty much the same case as in the same period BM engine. The Mercedes-Benz 2,3 liter from 1980's and 90's is called the M102. It's only four cylinders, but that suits your car well too.

Here's a M102 on a W136 chassis. http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll146/niearto/Laatikko.jpg

-Harry

OK, but it is little bit hard for me to find MB engines from 1980s. This BMW motor has just 43,000Km on it. Next week I will go down to NJ to take an observe of my car. Finally I shipped it to the port. Hope it will go on trim same week. Next I should get better long distance service to start taking consultation with my mechanic and with the friends (comrades :)) to buy motor and transmission. Shipping going to take 40 days, so it is quite enough time for it. God help me ...
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Re: 1953 MERCEDES BENZ 220 4 DOOR SEDAN
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2010, 11:36:37 AM »
Have you considered finding an engine here and shipping it with the car. That way you will have a better choice and save on shipping.

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Re: 1953 MERCEDES BENZ 220 4 DOOR SEDAN
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2010, 03:04:47 PM »
Have you considered finding an engine here and shipping it with the car. That way you will have a better choice and save on shipping.

Henry to by motor here going to be unreasonable from me:
1. It is more expensive to by in US
2. Extra expense for transportation
3. If it would not be in a good condition there is no way to return it back
4. In Georgia we have motors coming from Japan and most of them have wary low mileage, average is 40,000Km


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Re: 1953 MERCEDES BENZ 220 4 DOOR SEDAN
« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2010, 09:42:58 AM »
5. The US engines have less power than the European ones. Although I'm not sure about the Japanese versions. Could check that.

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Re: 1953 MERCEDES BENZ 220 4 DOOR SEDAN
« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2010, 07:04:39 PM »
5. The US engines have less power than the European ones. Although I'm not sure about the Japanese versions. Could check that.

-H

Do you mean US engine use petrol with 87 octaves and same engine in Europe works with 93 octave benzene ?

My favorite is 95 octave, I don't know why, could be it is something we newer had it under Russians.
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Re: 1953 MERCEDES BENZ 220 4 DOOR SEDAN
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2010, 09:44:33 AM »
Do you mean US engine use petrol with 87 octaves and same engine in Europe works with 93 octave benzene

No, not the octane rating. It actually is not possible to compare them between US and Europe, since the rating system is different. 95 or 87 here is not the same as 95 or 87 in the US. Our "super" is 95 and "premium" is 98. I think you can get "regular" from Germany (93 or 91?), but not in Finland.

And that being said, the used octane rating does not change the power of an engine - if it is not one of them brand new Volkswagens or something. If you fill up with 95 one time and 98 the other, the power of the engine will be exactly the same.

The reason why old US export engines often have less power then the standard (European) ones is just the pollution prevention system. US engines (especially in California) had to use EGR and lower compression. But if you compare the power ratings, make sure they are both according to DIN specifications. The American SAE gives much higher figures than DIN.

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Re: 1953 MERCEDES BENZ 220 4 DOOR SEDAN
« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2010, 02:34:01 PM »
http://www.rompetrol.ge/online/index.php?_website_id=53&lang=en&id=53&location=1&au=-1&search_str=products&x=0&y=0

Here is my favorite from Romania. They add "Efix" into product to clean injectors same time. Just I see some sky racketing with the price. last summer the price was 1.15 GEL/liter and for now what I see 1.95 GEL/liter tells me US are having there own problems and they are not going to support "Georgia's Liberation" whit next 2/3 years. So Russia going to take over back and than I don't have to worry about modern motor and benzine with Efix to get cleaned injectors any more... Than what we going to have is "AE76" as a regular and at this case for me would be better to get original motor for my car. I heard they work on kerosene to   :(
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Re: 1953 MERCEDES BENZ 220 4 DOOR SEDAN
« Reply #35 on: April 27, 2010, 10:39:52 PM »
 SOS  :)


Hello there,
On May 2 my car is going to arrive to Georgia. I need to represent size of engine to get quotation for custom duty. As bigger is engine size as more you have to pay for it. As older is our car as more it would cost you. I was looking on some paper for cutting edge #100 and it's saying that only second-generation cars from 1954 had 6 -cylinder engines, but the first-generation started by 1951 had standard 4 -cylinder ones. Please, if you have any more information, help me before May 2 to get statement by that time.
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Re: 1953 MERCEDES BENZ 220 4 DOOR SEDAN
« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2010, 11:13:39 PM »
The six cylinder 220 engine came out in 1951.

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Re: 1953 MERCEDES BENZ 220 4 DOOR SEDAN
« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2010, 11:44:33 AM »
The six cylinder 220 engine came out in 1951.

Can you see the letters up on picture? Why they say so?

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Re: 1953 MERCEDES BENZ 220 4 DOOR SEDAN
« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2010, 01:26:27 PM »
Can you see the letters up on picture? Why they say so?

Why? Who knows?  I can't make out enough of the print on the rest of the page.

However, my '52 has always had its 6cyl and all my service and parts manuals only indicate a 6cyl for the 220.
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Re: 1953 MERCEDES BENZ 220 4 DOOR SEDAN
« Reply #39 on: May 04, 2010, 01:29:30 PM »
OK, is there any Database to put in VIN and find out all existing information about it?