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Re: 1952 MERCEDES-BENZ 220B CABRIOLET,LOW MILES! RESTORED
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2011, 04:48:40 AM »
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Re: 1952 MERCEDES-BENZ 220B CABRIOLET,LOW MILES! RESTORED
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2011, 04:54:25 AM »
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Re: 1952 MERCEDES-BENZ 220B CABRIOLET,LOW MILES! RESTORED
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2011, 07:28:39 AM »
This car has a current listed price of $149,900.
I'm pretty sure this is the same one that sold for $102,500 in January 2010 at RM Auctions in Phoenix, AZ.

http://www.170220.com/170smf/index.php?topic=2192.0
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Re: 1952 MERCEDES-BENZ 220B CABRIOLET,LOW MILES! RESTORED
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2011, 11:11:54 AM »
If you read the description, it says that the car was restored by me. I did some work on the car, but nothing like a complete restoration. We did some mechanical, the dashboard, and straightened out a lot of details. We did not do any bodywork, paint, upholstery, or major engine work.

The folks selling it have agreed to correct the listing.

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Re: 1952 MERCEDES-BENZ 220B CABRIOLET,LOW MILES! RESTORED
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2011, 05:56:22 PM »
For $150,000, I would at least like to see original hose clamps ! Reminds me that I have one of those Telefunken radios somewhere. Must find it and see if it works.

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Re: 1952 MERCEDES-BENZ 220B CABRIOLET,LOW MILES! RESTORED
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2011, 06:18:28 PM »
This car was offered in this forum by a previous owner in 2008.

Without a doubt is a nice car but really far to be a concours car due to the several errors like the hubcaps to make it simple or the steering wheel center... As Craig said the hose clamps!!!

Maybe Henry Magno that knows the car in depth can tell us more about the details.

For me the most interesting thing is the price these cars are reaching. They are certainly rare because of the produced number.

This is the link of the first time it was offered here:

 http://www.170220.com/170smf/index.php?topic=685.0
« Last Edit: April 26, 2011, 06:30:49 PM by MB220Cab B MEX »
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Re: 1952 MERCEDES-BENZ 220B CABRIOLET,LOW MILES! RESTORED
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2011, 06:36:21 PM »
some more photos... BUT never shown a photo of the chassis and underside panels.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2011, 06:44:18 PM by MB220Cab B MEX »
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Re: 1952 MERCEDES-BENZ 220B CABRIOLET,LOW MILES! RESTORED
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2011, 10:35:37 AM »
The reason this car is not a concours car relates more to workmanship issues, not details like clamps and hubcaps. It is a nice car in general and I'm sure the seller is flexible on the price. The steering wheel emblem is the correct enameled one as far as I can see although in some of the pictures it is installed in the wrong orientation.

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Re: 1952 MERCEDES-BENZ 220B CABRIOLET,LOW MILES! RESTORED
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2011, 03:00:57 PM »
The reason this car is not a concours car relates more to workmanship issues, not details like clamps and hubcaps. It is a nice car in general and I'm sure the seller is flexible on the price. The steering wheel emblem is the correct enameled one as far as I can see although in some of the pictures it is installed in the wrong orientation.

Henry,

The price of the car is more the price of a concours car than the price of a nice car. You have had the chance to see the car in person and detect the workmanship issues, from the photos we are only able to see those trivial details that make the big differences in the concours and not concours cars. How much flexible is the seller?

Of course you are an expert and I am only an aficionado but the center of the steering wheel seems wrong to me. The black center in this car is more like a Ponton center with a big star, besides it seems weird to me the black center with an all ivory steering wheel. BTW, was an option the ivory steering wheel with the natural aluminum spokes and color trim for the W187? I have never seen one in ivory just this one. The orientation is a problem of the wheels turns, I think.

Here are some photos of my point about the steering wheel centers, the black one is enamel and chrome and seems to be the correct one for the W187, this center seems to be scare these days. On the other hand the ivory is the one installed in the Ponton cars, it is quite easy to get a replacement from different sources on ivory or black, it has been always a kind of plastic painted from behind with a larger chrome star and metal support to affix to the horn ring.
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Re: 1952 MERCEDES-BENZ 220B CABRIOLET,LOW MILES! RESTORED
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2011, 09:32:24 AM »
I agree that the asking price is a concours price for a Cab B. I'm not sure what it would be worth. There are so few Cab. B's around that sale data is scarce. I'd say that a rough rule of thumb is that a Cab B may be 2/3 the price of a Cab. A The owner did some remedial bodywork and paint after I saw the car so maybe those issues have been taken care of. We had the car in 2004, so my memory of it is not fresh. I just reviewed a few of my photos and it didn't appear that it had a detailed chassis, body off restoration

You are right that the white wheel should have a white emblem, I wasn't thinking of that. There were a few different versions of the enameled emblem, and the early ones did have a smaller star as in your photo. Since this star does not have the indicator light in it like the post 50 170 V & S, I would say that it is an earlier 170 V which had the directional switch with built-in light on the dash. I have one of these that came off my 38, which had an incorrect 3 spoke wheel when I got it. I would hazard a guess that all the 220 centers had a large star. I haven't made a survey, but of all the 220's I've seen, I think I would have noticed the small star on them.

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Re: 1952 MERCEDES-BENZ 220B CABRIOLET,LOW MILES! RESTORED
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2011, 09:44:07 AM »
Regarding the wheel spokes, it looks like they painted them white which is wrong. The spokes should have only the insets painted, the edges aluminum. The back of the spokes and hub should be painted. I used to think that a white wheel should have white on the spokes etc., but I believe I've seen evidence somewhere that they kept those parts black, at least on the 170 S. I think I have a 170 S wheel done that way that looks original. I'm not sure what happened later on. It's possible that they went to a white rim with white insets and back. The white wheels aren't that common.

We need some input here.

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Re: 1952 MERCEDES-BENZ 220B CABRIOLET,LOW MILES! RESTORED
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2011, 10:03:53 AM »
Just looking through a lot of photos here on the site seems to confirm that the spoke insets on the white wheels are black. What is harder to tell is whether the back side of the white wheel is also black. In some of the photos it appears that the back is white.