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Offline PyroPete

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W187 Type 220 sedan VIN plate clarity please
« on: February 02, 2012, 05:07:02 PM »
I have VIN plate that came with my car but appears to belong to some other 220 model.

The number on this VIN plate is Typ 220 / 187-14  01293/53 (see image) and has only 6 boxes for info to be stamped when I belive my sedan should have 8 boxes with different weights than this.

The number stamped into the driver's side cowl matching the Karroserie plate inside the driver's door reads 118 110 4069 / 52

The number stamped into the chassis matching the tag on the chassis reads  220 / 187.011  05291 / 52 (see image)

These two locations differ and I want to have the correct firewall VIN plate made up. Which number should it actually match? The one on the cowl/ A pillar or the one on the chassis. The car is registered by the abreviated cowl/ A-pillar VIN number as 1871104069, missing the /52, so I need to correct this with our local Vehicle Registry office.

So...  ???
-what is the correct firewall plate, 6 or 8 spaces?
-what info should be in these spaces besides the Typ, Farghestell-Nr & Baujahr numbers?
  (an image of a correct plate with correct weights for the 200 sedan would be terrific)
-what number should the firewall plate relate to? The chassis or coach numbers? I have it registered to the coach number already (sort of), so that may decide it

I need to sort this out very soon.
Thanks in advance!
Pete

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Offline John Ellis

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Re: W187 Type 220 sedan VIN plate clarity please
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2012, 06:35:21 PM »
The VIN plate attached to the cowl should match the chassis (fahrgestall) plate and adjacent stamped number on the chassis.  The "014" number on your cowl mounted VIN plate identifies that your car should have a sliding roof (Webasto); which appears not to be the case.

The body number (aufbau & karroserie) is and should be different from your chassis number.

For most US states, and I assume Canadian provences, the only important number for car registration purposes is the chassis (fahrgestall) number.

Craig Semple, a member of this group, sells reproduction ID plates and I assume his company can stamp the correct information on a replacement VIN plate.  You can contact Craig at reproplates@gmail.com.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2012, 10:57:02 PM by John Ellis »
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Re: W187 Type 220 sedan VIN plate clarity please
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2012, 07:27:35 PM »
Here is a photo of my original "VIN" plate and a new one made by Craig.
The number on my VIN matches the plate that is on the frame and the same number is also stamped into the frame directly below the plate. (see photo)
The  plate on the door frame matches the number stamped into the left side of the cowl near the battery box.

The weights on my tag arte for the Cab B and may be different than your sedan.

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Re: W187 Type 220 sedan VIN plate clarity please
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2012, 08:44:02 PM »
John & Scott... Thanks guys.

That clarifies it for me. You have confirmed my understanding that the chassis number goes on the firewall plate.

I intend to get a correct plate from Craig on the ASAP, once I can confirm what data goes into the space for Leergewicht, zul Gesamtgewicht and Achsdruck Vorn & Hinten for the 220 Sedan for 1952.

I dont see any legible images of the correct plate on the site, but I am still hunting it down. The car will have to cross a border or two and I need things sorted out soon.

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Re: W187 Type 220 sedan VIN plate clarity please
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2012, 08:50:08 PM »
Take a look at this one.
I took this photo of the plate on my cousin's 1952 220 sedan.
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Re: W187 Type 220 sedan VIN plate clarity please
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2012, 09:04:30 PM »
Thanks Scott

That resolves it for me then. I will contact Craig right away... Perfect. My eyes are hurting from peering at blurry data plate images.

On another subject... Did your cousin ever find a solution to the inside door handle repair? (as per attached image) I have the same issue on two of the doors and soon to fail on the balance.

I know a real good machinist who is willing to duplicate the parts but if there is an easier solution, that would work too.

Best regards,
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Re: W187 Type 220 sedan VIN plate clarity please
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2012, 09:08:05 PM »
I don't know what the end result was.  I know he has been driving it this past year, and I actually doubt that he knows exactly what the mechanic ended up doing.  He doesn't do the work himself.  I'll see if I can find out.
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Re: W187 Type 220 sedan VIN plate clarity please
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2012, 05:05:33 PM »
On another subject... Did your cousin ever find a solution to the inside door handle repair? (as per attached image) I have the same issue on two of the doors and soon to fail on the balance.

I heard back from the shop that did the work on the handles you inquired about.  After much searching, they ended up buying some used pot-metal inserts that were in better shape from Bob Silver.  (However, he also commented that he would not recommend that option.  I didn't pry into the details of that transaction.)

So, if you do have a talented machinist, that may be a better option.
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Re: W187 Type 220 sedan VIN plate clarity please
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2012, 08:04:52 PM »
Thanks Scotty.

The mentioned machinist cut his teeth in the restoration business in a friend of mine's now defunct auto restoration shop in south america. He ended up with the complete machine shop from the enterprise and is a master of replicating worn out MC & auto parts. He was keen to get an original door assembly and reverse engineer it, replaceing the pot metal part with something durable and machined out of steel. I would ask him to make a run of 4 dozen to stay within his economy of scale.

I wonder if there would there be enough demand to warrant such an undertaking? Every one of these cars suffer the same problem, I am sure.

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Re: W187 Type 220 sedan VIN plate clarity please
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2012, 10:36:18 AM »
Yes this is a common problem with the later door latches. I have repaired them by taking the rear door parts from cars that have the threaded part in steel, usually the earlier cars. With some machining and welding these can be adapted. These parts aren't so easy to find, though. However, new pieces that could fit right in would be great. Four dozen may take some time to sell, but at 2 per car, that's only 24 cars. I would buy some. Come to think of it, if you made the complete piece with the lever part, they would have to be left and right versions. I would recommend that anyone with the pot metal parts on their car would be well advised to buy these even if they don't need them, since they do break easily.

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Re: W187 Type 220 sedan VIN plate clarity please
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2012, 11:12:01 AM »
Well... as they say in old British Guyana (where this fellow is)

Let we see wa happen.

Pete

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Re: W187 Type 220 sedan VIN plate clarity please
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2012, 12:37:24 AM »
What needs fixed on the door handles?
Post #5 refers to an image, but where is it?

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Re: W187 Type 220 sedan VIN plate clarity please
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2012, 10:07:13 AM »
The door latch assembly has a pot metal barrel that the inside door handle slides in to and threads onto. The pot metal is a weak spot and fails. See images attached

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Re: W187 Type 220 sedan VIN plate clarity please
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2012, 10:59:59 AM »
Still no image attached.
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Re: W187 Type 220 sedan VIN plate clarity please
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2012, 02:05:17 PM »
Yes, well. I am having issues loading any images but the link to the original images is here http://www.170220.com/170smf/index.php?topic=2833.msg9752#msg9752

Something is strange on the website. When I reply to threads through my personnal email, I get redirected to here...
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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2012, 03:03:49 PM »
That's related to the malware which has infected our website since November. My computer will no let me navigate to the site unless I acknowledge that I am entering a website with this issue. Stephen
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Re: W187 Type 220 sedan VIN plate clarity please
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2012, 04:14:07 PM »
I know I'd be interested in two and brobably an additional 2-4, if a fair price.
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