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Offline CraigS

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A tempting 170S
« on: February 13, 2013, 06:26:33 PM »
This car is available in Australia and I am very tempted to buy it. The motor has been rebuilt, interior re-done,  except for headlining, NOS radiator, re-painted. Body is only sitting on the chassis at present. Essentially, it needs re-assembly and chrome re-done.

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Re: A tempting 170S
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2013, 08:49:56 AM »
 i have the the same car at the same color

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Re: A tempting 170S
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2013, 01:37:58 PM »
That does look like a nice project.. all depends on what they are asking for it though :)

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Re: A tempting 170S
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2013, 03:34:50 PM »
Probably available for A$4,500 (US$4,750).

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Re: A tempting 170S
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2013, 02:05:20 AM »
Well, I bought it for A$5,000 - about US$5,250. I will need a carburetor for it - I believe it is a Solex 32 PBIC ? If anyone has one to spare/sell, I would be interested.

Alternately, will one from a ponton fit ?  (220s) I have a couple of spare ones of those, as well as a new 34 PICT.
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Re: A tempting 170S
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2013, 10:52:42 AM »
Nice, it looks like a very good addition to the family. Stephen
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Re: A tempting 170S
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2013, 02:45:22 PM »
that doesn't seem expensive? not to say that it looks cheap?

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Re: A tempting 170S
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2013, 03:32:16 PM »
Considering that this one sold for A$8,600 yesterday on eBay, I think it was an excellent price.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/271151041044?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

The former owner is a German mechanic that has owned and been slowly rebuilding it for many years. He has come to the point where he wants to retire and sell his business, and knows that he will not be able to complete it before he does so. The car does run, although it presently has a VW carburetor on it, so hence the request for a correct one.

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Re: A tempting 170S
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2013, 02:16:03 PM »
I will need a carburetor for it - I believe it is a Solex 32 PBIC ? If anyone has one to spare/sell, I would be interested.

The 170S did have a Solex 32 PBIC.

The Ponton 180, 180a, 180b had a 32 PICB carb that possibly could fit; they share the same rebuild kit.  The 220 Ponton used a pair of 34 PBIC which are larger.

Fortunately the 32 PBIC carburetor is easily found.  This carb was used on the JEEP CJ3B, Citroen 11CV, Peugoet 203 and Porsche 356 just to name a few.  Because of this, you can even buy a new manufactured 32 PBIC.

The only differences that I can discern are some of the clutch and throttle linkage arrangements and probably jets.  All of which could be easily changed.

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Re: A tempting 170S
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2013, 02:49:28 PM »
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Re: A tempting 170S
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2013, 03:57:26 PM »
The first one looks more correct, it has the correct throttle linkage with the ball end.  It will save you some time making it work. 
Some of the jets are different sizes, but to be expected ... you can get the correct ones, or not.

Good price also!
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Re: A tempting 170S
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2013, 04:15:05 PM »
I did find elsewhere that this same carburetor that you are considering may require some modifications to the mounting flange, but works otherwise for the 170S.  See the ebay link and explanation below:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Vergaser-Typ-Solex-32PBIC-32-PBIC-passt-Nacharbeit-MB-170sb-NEU-/370736005978?pt=DE_Autoteile&hash=item565196835a#ht_4085wt_1139

Also addressed on the 170V.de site

http://www.170v.de/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1309726054/0
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Re: A tempting 170S
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2013, 04:51:57 PM »
If I read that correctly, the flange holes need to be drilled out to 10mm, but I don't understand the part about the dowell pins. I don't see any pins in the drawing.

From the German site and the link to a seller, it seems the one I found is an excellent price.
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Re: A tempting 170S
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2013, 05:19:43 PM »
I could also do with a list of hard to find parts which are often missing. I have seen discussions regarding the battery cover, but I am sure there are many others. I want to check with the seller what he actually has and what he knows to be missing (such as the carburetor).  From what I understand, it was a very complete car whn he bought it, but over the years, things tend to go missing. It would be nice if he had the tool kit, and I am pretty sure I have a set of fitted luggage somewhere.

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Re: A tempting 170S
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2013, 01:26:54 PM »
As I'm sure you know these carbs were used on a lot of cars and there are a lot of variations. Probably the closest fit is the later ponton carb, also a 32. You shouldn't have to modify the mounting. I just rebuilt a carb (that I supplied) for an outside customer whose carb flange holes were enlarged because his carb appeared to have had a wider hole spacing. I don't have any experience to offer with these new carbs, although I'm pretty sure they are copies. They may be fine, but I wouldn't modify the original manifold to use one.

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Re: A tempting 170S
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2013, 08:26:52 PM »
Received the information on the car today.

               Chassie no           -              R136 040 0779/51
               Engine no            -              136 922 10138/51
               Body no               -              11337A  1990  11312/51
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Re: A tempting 170S
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2013, 09:55:04 PM »
First blush, it appears to be all matching numbers by the dates, which you can confirm later with the build card. The 040 in the chassis number identifies a sedan.

There were 11,041 model 170S built in 1951, so yours would have been one of the earlier builds in the year.  In 1952 the 170Sb was introduced.

 Congratulations!
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Re: A tempting 170S
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2013, 11:50:51 PM »
Thanks John. I have asked Tom Hanson for a copy of the data card, so will see if he comes back with anything.

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Re: A tempting 170S
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2013, 06:31:17 PM »
The seller made a mistake with the VIN and the number is actually 09779/51, which I guess makes it late 1951. Will know more when the Classic Center sends me the data card - which hopefully will be easier to find now that I have given them the correct number.

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Re: A tempting 170S
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2013, 05:12:57 PM »
I ended up buying this carburetor. Seemed like a good price, and has been modified to suit the 170. Hopefully the 170Sb is not too much different in the linkage setup of an S.

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190767215728&ssPageName=ADME:L:CORT:DE:1123#ht_2486wt_952