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Offline Stoebel

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New sparkplug wires
« on: May 03, 2013, 11:00:15 AM »
Hello guys,

In my quest to make the engine run I am thinking to renew the sparkplug wires. Has anyone of you done this?

If so could you give some extra info or provide some pictures?

Thanks a lot!

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Re: New sparkplug wires
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2013, 02:43:25 PM »
Yes, I replaced my wires shortly after I got the car, but it was before I started taking photos of my work.
I could probably snap a few if it would help.
In my case, I did not have any of the original ends that attach to the spark plugs so I didn't need to worry about originality, but focus on reliability.
Here in my area, we have an automove supply store called "NAPA".  I bought all my parts from them.
I bought a spool of bulk wire (solid core wire, not the "noise suppressor" kind).
I also bought the metal clips for each end and the rubber boots.
I have not had any trouble with them at all.
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Re: New sparkplug wires
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2013, 06:59:47 PM »
If you don't want to go to the trouble of making your own and just want to get it running, just buy a set off the shelf for a 4 cylinder car that has about the right length. You can always make proper ones later.

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Re: New sparkplug wires
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2013, 04:34:57 AM »
Thank you for the information!

The clips I got look different. It's probably a good idea to buy me some of the shelf. I'll let you guys know what I did.
The starter works but I think there's something wrong with the ignition as the engine rumbles a bit but it never gives the impression that it will start.

Is the choke on or off when you pull the button on the dashboard?


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Re: New sparkplug wires
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2013, 07:21:32 PM »
Choke is on when pulled out .... off when pushed in.  Make sure that the fuel is turned on and check carburetor to see if it is getting fuel.  If it has been sitting for a long time, the fuel pump may need priming (use lever on the side of the fuel pump).
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Re: New sparkplug wires
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2013, 07:55:28 PM »
If it has been sitting for a long time, you should check the gas tank to see if it needs to be emptied and treated. Certainly drain any old gas and put fresh gas in.
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Re: New sparkplug wires
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2013, 08:19:39 PM »
Good point Stephen!
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Re: New sparkplug wires
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2013, 08:23:10 PM »
And just to emphasize this point, here are some photos of the gas tank out of my W116 6.9 that I removed last weekend ! No wonder it didn't tun properly - or at all.


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Re: New sparkplug wires
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2013, 09:23:43 AM »
Thanks for the info!
Is there a way to bypass the gas tank just to check whether the car runs?

I thought about just adding some quick start in the carburetor?

Thank you guys.. I'm almost ready with the brakes. I'll  upload some pictures at the end of May.

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Re: New sparkplug wires
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2013, 10:27:09 PM »
You could do something like this, sort of like an I.V. for cars, and connect directly to the carb.

http://www.kzrider.com/forum/3-carburetor/245704-cheap-temporary-gas-tank-for-carb-tuning
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Re: New sparkplug wires
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2013, 06:28:58 AM »
good idea ty

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Re: New sparkplug wires
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2013, 08:27:08 AM »
A simple syphon from a fuel can will do just as well. The worst part is sucking the petrol through the tube to get it started - doesn't taste real nice !

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Re: New sparkplug wires
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2013, 06:54:33 PM »
That assumes that the fuel pump is working properly. If you attach tubing directly from the bottle to carburetor and hang it above the carb it is all gravity.
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Re: New sparkplug wires
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2013, 07:37:05 AM »
My car is the 170S so this is the M136, right?

I would like to replace some parts just to make sure they are working properly.

Could you tell me if this is the right piece: http://www.niemoeller.de/preisanfrage/show_part.htm?art_nr=a15058

What's the difference between: http://www.niemoeller.de/preisanfrage/show_part.htm?art_nr=a15059 and http://www.niemoeller.de/preisanfrage/show_part.htm?art_nr=a15060 ?

Are this the right spark plug wires: http://www.niemoeller.de/preisanfrage/show_part.htm?art_nr=a15080 ?

Thanks!

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Re: New sparkplug wires
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2013, 02:30:46 PM »
You can get the parts less expensive by ordering the Bosch or Beru part numbers.

The cap is no longer made by Bosch (original OEM); but Beru makes the cap .... Beru VK252 or 0330920152    (euro 10 > 12)
Rotor is no longer made by Bosch (original OEM); use Beru NVL 010 or 0300920010   (euro 4 > 7)
Points are made by Bosch 01 002 or Beru KS600 or 0340100041   (euro 5 > 9)
Condenser by Bosch 02006

The ignition wire set is way too expensive .... as suggested by others, try making your own.  The wire is 7mm ignition wire and you need less than 2 meters. The wire price is about euro 3>5 per meter.  Add the end caps, and your cost is less than euro 30.  Here is just one vendor for the parts in europe, however, there are many others including your local auto store.

http://www.staufenbiel-berlin.de/katalog05.html
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Re: New sparkplug wires
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2013, 02:46:04 PM »
Thanks for the info John!

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Re: New sparkplug wires
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2013, 03:34:01 PM »
Forgot to answer your question about the difference between the two points sets.  The first is for the 170V versions and the second is for the 170S versions.  For the 170S-V it could be either depending on which distributor the car is equiped with.
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