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Offline yan2947

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1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« on: December 05, 2013, 10:53:19 PM »
Finally joined this site today. I have been restoring a 1952 220 Sedan for years! I am a little slow in the restoration process. A friend has been doing the recent work (past 5 years at least). I am the third owner of the car. A doctor in my town bought the car new in Germany in '52 and had it shipped to the US. A close friend of the family bought the car from him and last registered it in 1972. I bought the car in high school, 1982 or so. Had to clean out the family friend's backyard and give him $600. I had the car painted in the early 1990's but it ran terrible and finally put it in a barn for several years. It ended up needing sill plates so I decided to really take the car apart and rebuild it. The engine will be the last step.

The two photos here are from when I originally started sanding the car down in the 1980's prior to having it painted.

I originally started the build online at:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/vintage-mercedes-benz/1825769-1952-220-sedan-w187-build.html

but thought this was a much better place to show the build and get expert help and or hard to find parts that someone may have laying around...

Anyhow, thank you to the host for creating this site and allowing me to post some photos
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1989 911 LS1

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2013, 10:59:16 PM »
Some photos from 2004 before taking the car apart. The car had been painted around 1991. This is the second and final attempt! The car had been bought originally in black with a red interior. The doctor painted it white upon arriving back in New York. I had seen a car that was two tone like this and had it painted these colors. It will now be done in the original black.
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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2013, 11:04:49 PM »
Though the originals were not painted in two tone combinations, I do like the look!  Welcome to the group
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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2013, 11:09:08 PM »
Thanks John.  I will be turning it back to one color.  My goal is:

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2013, 11:20:40 PM »
Taking the car apart a few years ago and then putting in the new sills.
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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2013, 11:41:45 PM »
The amazing mechanic, Peter, restoring my 220!

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2013, 11:48:45 PM »
Here are some photos from 2013 as the car has progressed.  The frame was sandblasted and powder coated.
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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2013, 11:56:52 PM »
Starting to put it back together:
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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2013, 12:08:02 AM »
The car is coming along.  The frame will attach to the body this week or next...  Hopefully.  The motor will be rebuilt at some point.  Some of my red leather needs to be re-done.  Not sure if anyone has any similar leather sitting around.  I will need a new headliner. 

I have a parts manual called:  Mercedes-Benz Type 220 CATALOG A 1952.  It has all of the parts (diagrams) in tables with two digit numbers which are supposed to correlate to the actual Mercedes part numbers.  I do not have the actual corresponding part numbers.  Does anyone have this?

thanks in advance,

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2013, 08:58:36 AM »
Yes.  The parts manual is in German, but the numbers are still valid or can at least cross-referenced.
I thought I had scanned it at one time and placed on this web site, but we had some problems in the past and maybe it is "lost".
I'll see what we can work out.
If need be, I can copy and mail it to you.

UPDATE: John Ellis, I have this as a PDF file but it is about 295M. Can this site handle anything like that?
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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2013, 11:58:45 AM »
Scott, that would be great if you can see if you still have the manual.  I think there are a lot of lost links with manuals online.  Some are there and some are not.  If you can put it back up even if it is in German that would be great!  If not and you need to mail it let me know and I will email you my address.  My email is yansalomon@aol.com

thanks again,

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2013, 08:53:13 PM »
I need to check on a few things to see if I am able to upload the PDF.  In the mean time, I have sent you a note and we'll work out getting you a copy the good old-fashioned way.
By the way, I don't believe the parts manual was ever published in English.  However the shop manual was.  Do you have that?
There is also an online version of the parts manual that you can register to use through MB.  Check the "General Discussion" section, third post from top in that section.
Here is the link if I did it correctly: http://www.170220.org/index.php?topic=2675.0
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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2013, 11:02:50 AM »
The part manual is now available from our section of manuals.

Here is the direct link as well. It is large (290MB), so it may take a while to fully open the almost 500 pages. 

http://www.170220.org/pdf/MB_220_PartsBook-rev5.pdf
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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2013, 12:26:53 PM »
Scott,

that is exactly what I needed!  Thank you so much for doing that!  Now it is time to hunt down some parts.  I realize quite a few places have parts for the car but sometimes I get luck on ebay when someone only has a part number and is selling a NOS part, not knowing what it is!

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2013, 06:44:41 PM »
Scott, have you used this Germany based eBay store?  Seems reasonable on some items I just ordered.

http://stores.ebay.com/Automobilia-Versand/Mercedes-170-220-/_i.html?_fsub=207563019&_sid=279584949&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322

Thanks again!  The part numbers came in handy! 
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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2013, 04:48:03 AM »
I recently put up a post looking for a 170s parts manual. Is that in your inventory as well ?

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2013, 07:10:30 AM »
Scott, have you used this Germany based eBay store?  Seems reasonable on some items I just ordered.
http://stores.ebay.com/Automobilia-Versand/Mercedes-170-220-/_i.html?_fsub=207563019&_sid=279584949&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322
I have not personally, but I believe other have with good results.
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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2013, 07:14:24 AM »
I recently put up a post looking for a 170s parts manual. Is that in your inventory as well ?

No sir.  That is something I do not have.
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« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2013, 04:26:17 PM »
That's OK. A friend is sending me his to copy, so when I do, I will put it up as a PDF.

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2013, 11:35:59 PM »
That's OK. A friend is sending me his to copy, so when I do, I will put it up as a PDF.

I'll be interested in this as well, Craig.

Your restoration is a lot further along than mine. I'll be doing the interior completely by hand (not wanting to pay for sandblasting or powdercoating, as shops around here don't exactly have the best reputation).