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Offline Charles Adamson

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #320 on: December 22, 2018, 12:23:22 AM »
The 300 grille is different from the 220.  See the diagram from Niemoeller.

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #321 on: December 22, 2018, 07:42:14 AM »
Scott,

have you ever seen the following schematic wire diagram.  Years ago it was on ebay and I didn't buy it.  It was in German.  I was looking for one of these.  I came upon some issues when re-wiring the car.  Rhode Island Wire suggested I send in my old harness.  I did that yesterday.  Their wiring kit was based on the 1951 220 and they realize Mercedes made changes without really documenting it to the public.  Rhode Island Wiring is awesome and will correct the wire confusion and advise me.  Thank you Scott for all of the help so far!  My engine went to the machine shop two weeks ago.  Once he takes it apart I will know what I need and I will post my list for any help here on where to look.

Thanks Charles.  There are a couple of 300 grilles for sale and they are not too much.  They looked real close but not close enough...  My grille is ok but has some pitting on the bottom.  It is the showcase of a car and I wanted mine to look a little better.  I don't have the crank hole and also need the center grille trim piece if anyone has one sitting around.

Does anyone know of any MB Supplier of NOS stuff out there?  Any hidden places besides the normal of ebay/niemoeller.de/ etc.   used is fine also.

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #322 on: December 23, 2018, 07:31:32 AM »
Apparently I have the wrong headlights.  I have sealed 6v headlights with the chrome ring and an adjustment ring.  I don't believe it to be correct.  Attached a photo to show.  I see on Niemoeller they have a completely different setup.  Is that what everyone has on their 220?  They have items 86, 87, 89 and 92.  I would need to find 88.  What else is needed?  The link to their product page is:

https://www.niemoeller.de/en/w187/w187/B010/43/

Item 89, the bulb holder is a replacement version and ebay has some originals I believe.  What else do I need.  Anyone have photos of their setup?

My setup is in the attached photo:
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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #323 on: December 23, 2018, 12:17:49 PM »
See these from a ponton. I have both cars and the headlight parts look the same.

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #324 on: December 23, 2018, 03:12:12 PM »
No, I have not seen that diagram.
I have ordered from Road Island Wire and pleased with their products.  I ordered the Generator-Voltage Regulator harness.  I have also ordered bulk wire and made my own repairs and minor harnesses.

My headlights are the sealed beam like yours.  If I was going just for show and full originality, I would try to source the reflector/bulb assy. that you are refering to.  I believe I was told that the sealed beam lights provide better visability at night, but I don't know for certain.  Since I do drive my car a lot, and sometimes at night, I will stay with the better visability.

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #325 on: December 23, 2018, 07:22:58 PM »
Scott,

I have been searching for sealed 6v LED bulbs.  They would use less power but have much better visibility.  Not sure if anyone made one yet.  Plenty of 12v options. 

Have used 6v LED in the fog lights?  They make them and appear to have much more visibility also.
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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #326 on: December 23, 2018, 07:36:39 PM »
Yes, I believe so. . . .
Check out this site:

http://www.classicandvintagebulbs.com/

About 10 years ago, I bought a lot of replacement bulbs from him that were 6V Halogen.  I needed brighter brake light in particular.  He didn't have LED at that time as the technology was still fairly new for the classic cars.
It looks like he now has LED as well.  I have not checked the site for details recently, but he was good to work with when I made my Halogen conversions.
I will look into the LED as well, but will welcome any feedback from you or anyone else that has tried the newer LED technology bulbs.

If I recall correctly, he is located in Australia
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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #327 on: December 23, 2018, 10:12:01 PM »
I just emailed them along with another us based company called ledlight.com  Hopefully someone will have an answer.  12v led sealed are all over the place.  I don't see any for 6v but 6v led bulbs are available especially if you have the original setup and all you need to do is replace the bulb.  Will let you know what they say.

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #328 on: December 30, 2018, 08:15:18 PM »
Does anyone know the part number for the heater distribution box and know why it is not in the parts manual?  The flap on mine (passenger side)  is broken
and I am looking for a working one.  I need it before putting in the dash.

https://www.niemoeller.de/en/w187/w187/B010/58/

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #329 on: December 31, 2018, 08:13:28 AM »
If I recall, many of the body parts are similar to the 170S.  In fact, I also have a 170S shop manual for the same reason.

Even if you did find a part number, I'd be surprised if you could locate one.  Might have to repair/fabricate based off of what you still have left.

On the Niemoeller web site, download their Catalog A.  Page 151 shows a drawing of the part you want, and and a list of the part numbers, but only a few are referenced in the drawing.

Using my google translator app, my GUESS is it is the 6th item down the list?  Verteiler rechts = 187 830 04 06.

You can also email the MBclassic center.  They can probably provide additional part number information.


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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #330 on: December 31, 2018, 05:40:17 PM »
Thanks Scott, you are the best.  I didn't know they had that catalog!  Probably won't find a new one but perhaps someone is selling one by part number somewhere...

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #331 on: January 01, 2019, 04:34:51 PM »
Just want to make sure that the Grille insert (the cross hatch area that is inserted in the shell - with the exception of the center chrome piece) is cement gray RAL 7033:

https://www.fibreglast.com/product/17965/ChromaGlast-Premium-Single-Stage-RAL-Colors?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIl5Hd3cLN3wIVTVmGCh2dNQfNEAYYASABEgKFwvD_BwE

The link makes it look green... Just checking...

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #332 on: January 01, 2019, 05:05:51 PM »
Scott and Yan,

The Niemoller site has English when you click on the British flag.
I noticed part  187 830 04 06 has a number 10 before the 187.
The letter G before the part number in the catalog means "used"

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #333 on: January 01, 2019, 05:19:01 PM »
1) Yes, "Cement-gray" is a green/gray color.

2) Charles, The Downloaded PDF of Catalogue A is only available in German.
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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #334 on: January 01, 2019, 05:32:07 PM »
Thanks Scott, Cement Gray it is.  I will keep looking for a used 187 830 04 06  heater diverter.  I really only need the flap.  If I can't find one I can have the small broken piece
fabricated on it hopefully.  Getting stuff done is really slow so I try to find any good part out there that requires no work - just perhaps paint... 

I took my motor to a machine shop near my house.  About a mile away.  Once he takes it apart I will have a part list for needed engine items...

cleaning up some pipes on the firewall:
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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #335 on: January 01, 2019, 06:39:53 PM »
Charles,

I see the 10 before 187 830 04 06.  Where do you see the used?

Yan

I just emailed them.
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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #336 on: January 01, 2019, 09:58:20 PM »
I have a hard copy of Catalog A and C. On page 151 of catalog A the G appears in front of the part number which translates to used.
Here is a print screen of the heater parts.

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #337 on: January 02, 2019, 05:25:38 AM »
Charles, I have ordered the catalog.  Its interesting how the Mercedes diagrams in the main parts book or on their heating and ventilation area don't show the part.  The online pdf catalog does however on page 151 and hopefully they have a used one.

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #338 on: January 03, 2019, 06:41:42 AM »
I just got the two rear license plate lights on ebay.  The left one is normal but the right one has a window on each side.  Any ideas?
In the picture you can see through to the other window.  It would light on both sides where the left one only lights on the license plate side.
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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #339 on: January 03, 2019, 07:57:19 AM »
Yes,
If you had a oval "Country Plate", such a s "D", it would be to the right side of the right light and the window would provide light for it.
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