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Offline yan2947

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #400 on: September 02, 2019, 04:04:17 PM »
Anyone know best place for a complete exhaust system?  Niemoller appears to have most but the collector pipe is not made.  There is a company in Germany that has stainless steel but won't ship to usa.

Any thoughts...

Yan

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #401 on: September 02, 2019, 06:00:08 PM »
Mine is a one-piece welded stainless steel. I looked through my records but couldnít find when or where it was purchased.
I think I know the shop that was doing the maintenance at that time, prior to my ownership. Iíll see if I can reach them and see what they have to say. As a whole, Iíve been very happy with it. Did have to have some welds re-done but I think that was due to the rubber hanger blocks failing. I havenít been happy with the life of them so I made my own.
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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #402 on: September 02, 2019, 06:40:58 PM »
Scott,

let me know.  Would love to find a US alternative.

thanks!

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #403 on: September 03, 2019, 07:51:15 AM »
I'm not sure yet where mine was done, but I did fine this company in one of my folders.

http://www.timevalve.com/cat/us/p01c.html

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #404 on: September 04, 2019, 06:34:26 AM »
Thanks Scott, Mercedes Classic Center recommended them also.  I think they are still in business but their phone system seems to down.  I called a local number for them and left a message.

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #405 on: September 15, 2019, 08:05:21 PM »
Does anyone know where I can get the clutch release bearing:  1812520038

or the clutch pressure plate: 1802500504 ... KF12Z Mercedes or do I need to send my pressure plate to get overhauled?

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #406 on: September 15, 2019, 08:33:41 PM »
I believe Henry had my pressure plate resurfaced.  Not sure where he sent it.

The bearing has some options to consider.  The original configuration has a CLS oil line that goes to it.  This design could lead to excessive oil inside the clutch housing.  Before I got my car, the oil line had been closed off at the distributor block and the bearing had apparently been packed with grease.  It looks like it was working ok, but wasn't a sealed bearing.
You may want to check with Henry, but he was able to use a sealed bearing from a different model car, but it required modifications to either the bearing, release lever, or both.
Perhaps just getting measurements of the old bearing and checking non-Mercedes suppliers will help.  I know I've replaced several bearings and seals that I bought from Motion Industriers 
https://www.motionindustries.com/.
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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #407 on: September 15, 2019, 08:36:32 PM »
Thanks Scott.  Hopefullly, Henry will chime in.

Yan

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #408 on: September 16, 2019, 08:20:42 PM »
Just got my exhaust from timevalve.  Looks great.  Scored a NOS clutch Pressure Plate from Ebay.  Now I just need to figure out
how to get the clutch release bearing...
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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #409 on: September 20, 2019, 11:13:49 PM »
Niemoller part A 25012.  MB part 181 252 00 38

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #410 on: September 21, 2019, 12:12:27 AM »
Charles, I had checked there but it says no longer available.  Do see any stock there?

thanks,

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #411 on: September 21, 2019, 05:04:19 PM »
No.
If you have the actual bearing with an original manufacturer number, maybe you can cross reference it's number to a replacement bearing.

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #412 on: September 21, 2019, 05:13:00 PM »
That is what I did for my wheel bearings when I replaced them.
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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #413 on: October 04, 2019, 05:14:22 PM »
Does anyone have an actual photo of the front of their crankshaft with the:

oil thrower ring and the
spacer ring at the front of the crankshaft.

The machine shop is done with the motor except for those 2 parts that he can't find.   A little messy shop but
a photo would probably help him locate it.  I have the diagram picture from the parts book but doesn't give
great detail.

I think I can still order the spacer ring but it looks like the oil thrower ring is not available unless someone else
knows differently...    parts:
1800310151
1800310325

thank you,

*FOUND A GOOD PHOTO ON EBAY*

hopefully he can find the parts...

Yan

https://www.niemoeller.de/en/w187/w187/B010/3/
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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #414 on: October 14, 2019, 05:11:13 AM »
Can anyone take a photo of the oil line off of the oil filter and a photo of the line off of the oil lube filler cup on the firewall?

thank you!  Motor is mostly done.  Crank spacer and oil thrower/slinger was just made by the machine shop.  Could not

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #415 on: October 14, 2019, 07:53:22 AM »
Here are a couple of photos that I found on my computer.
Will these help?
If I recall, the new hose on the valve cover is the oil line before I replaced the old one.
Let me know if you need more detail.
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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #416 on: October 14, 2019, 05:49:18 PM »
Scott,

perfect.  Did you have the oil line hose made or where you able to find one?

I don't see the part number for the hose.  I have the metal thing that it attaches to on the firewall. 

I have a nut for the inside of the firewall.  I assume there is a screw somewhere for that little tab on

the firewall.  I believe the part in Group 18 is for the metal thing on the firewall but not the hose...  Mine is cracked...

Yan

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #417 on: October 14, 2019, 07:12:47 PM »
Scott,

does the metal piece that the hose attaches to get held down by a screw in the front where that triangle with the hole is?  or just the nut in the inside of firewall near the dash or both?  Or is there no nut?  I have a nut on the inside ...

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #418 on: October 14, 2019, 07:14:47 PM »
Here you go . .
That shot on the inside was hard to access, but I got it.

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Re: 1952 220 Sedan W187 build restoration
« Reply #419 on: October 14, 2019, 08:26:43 PM »
Scott, you are good!  I owe you!  It looks like that flat head screw is broken off on the firewall...  It is broken but flush so I could tell if it was a screw area...  Will get it out somehow and I have the nut for the inside.  Just ordered the oil hose from Niemoller.  Seems like I keep ordering stuff ... 
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